?

Log in

Previous Entry | Next Entry

May. 19th, 2006

The difficulties homosexuals are going through these days with marriage.

A Civil Rights movement? 

I keep hearing this, and its comparisons to Black persecution.
What do you think? Mostly it's just makin me mad to hear this.

Comments

( 104 comments — Leave a comment )
sunshineyellow
May. 19th, 2006 05:16 pm (UTC)
What else would you call it? It's a movement for civil rights. I don't think it's exactly the same as that of the 1960's, but semantically, there's no problem in caliing it what it is.
keeni84
May. 20th, 2006 05:42 am (UTC)
AAAAH!

Thank you.

Civil Rights Movement doesn't just mean "BLACK RIGHTS" movement.
polymexina
May. 19th, 2006 05:17 pm (UTC)
i do think it's a civil rights movement, because it's a movement towards equality and the address of legal issues...

but just because two things are birds doesn't mean that they're both ducks.
ozzdo
May. 19th, 2006 05:28 pm (UTC)
but just because two things are birds doesn't mean that they're both ducks.

That's the best analogy for this I've ever heard. Hits the nail right on the head.
(no subject) - polymexina - May. 19th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - ktempest - May. 19th, 2006 06:02 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - polymexina - May. 19th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - darkrosetiger - May. 19th, 2006 07:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - polymexina - May. 19th, 2006 08:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:43 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - polymexina - May. 20th, 2006 07:06 am (UTC) - Expand
mizcrank
May. 19th, 2006 05:27 pm (UTC)
okay, it i go...
i don't like that they're comparing it the Black persecution. it just isn't the same.

the defination of "civil rights" is getting broader and broader. there are other groups who are claiming their civil rights are also being violated, with extreme examples being NAMBLA members and others who feel like adult/child relationships are not bad.

yep, i used this example. as uncomfy as it may be, it's still true.

where is the cut-off?
hisprophet
May. 19th, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
Re: okay, it i go...
Yes. I'm wondering if my view is blind because I am a Christian woman, or if it really is an issue of the terms getting broader.
Re: okay, it i go... - mizcrank - May. 19th, 2006 05:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - scorpiohoney12 - May. 19th, 2006 06:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:44 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - hisprophet - May. 20th, 2006 03:37 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - scorpiohoney12 - May. 20th, 2006 11:46 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
Re: okay, it i go... - animeg3282 - May. 19th, 2006 10:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - hisprophet - May. 20th, 2006 12:01 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:44 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - recumbentgoat - May. 19th, 2006 05:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - littleeva - May. 19th, 2006 06:27 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - recumbentgoat - May. 19th, 2006 06:52 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - yes_justice - May. 19th, 2006 07:04 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - recumbentgoat - May. 19th, 2006 07:17 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - yes_justice - May. 19th, 2006 07:22 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - yes_justice - May. 19th, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - animeg3282 - May. 19th, 2006 10:30 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:45 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - ktempest - May. 20th, 2006 02:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - ktempest - May. 19th, 2006 06:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: okay, it i go... - aaron_hotfire - May. 20th, 2006 06:49 am (UTC) - Expand
ozzdo
May. 19th, 2006 05:27 pm (UTC)
It is a civil rights movement. It is exactly like it was with blacks in the 60's? No. But it is a civil rights movement. It's a minority that is refused the same rights as everyone else, purely because what/who they are.

Why does it make you mad, to hear the comparasion? I ask out of curiosity.
hisprophet
May. 19th, 2006 05:32 pm (UTC)
Honestly I think it stems from the fact that I am a Christian woman, and I can't see God calling something a sin that is a)something that can't be changed or b) totally acceptable.
I really think that may be my problem in feeling someone on this.
i was a bit fearful in going that route - mizcrank - May. 19th, 2006 05:38 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - hisprophet - May. 19th, 2006 05:49 pm (UTC) - Expand
You know... - i_dreamed_i_was - May. 19th, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: You know... - yes_justice - May. 19th, 2006 07:26 pm (UTC) - Expand
to you and hisprophet - thiscoinferno - May. 19th, 2006 10:25 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: to you and hisprophet - bonbhan - May. 20th, 2006 02:19 am (UTC) - Expand
Ummmm... - i_dreamed_i_was - May. 20th, 2006 05:08 am (UTC) - Expand
Re: Ummmm... - thiscoinferno - May. 20th, 2006 01:31 pm (UTC) - Expand
Uhhh... - i_dreamed_i_was - May. 20th, 2006 02:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thiscoinferno - May. 20th, 2006 06:12 pm (UTC) - Expand
Ah... Okay. - i_dreamed_i_was - May. 20th, 2006 06:33 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:46 am (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:47 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - hisprophet - May. 20th, 2006 03:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - richirch2 - May. 20th, 2006 04:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
(no subject) - hisprophet - May. 20th, 2006 10:43 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
Re: please remember - hisprophet - May. 20th, 2006 10:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
littleeva
May. 19th, 2006 05:30 pm (UTC)
Well it's the right to get married; a right that every single straight person has. It's not the SAME Civil Rights movement as it was in the 1960's; but it's all about basic rights, the right to live where you want, the right to vote, the right to marry who you want.
recumbentgoat
May. 19th, 2006 05:31 pm (UTC)
There's probably a sense of entitlement to align themselves with the 60s movement.

I mean--I've witnessed lots of o_O comments over in debunkingwhite in previous discussions on this.

I agree with same sex marriage--in fact it's the two year anniversary in Massachusetts. Many couples and families are lobbying the State House not to support the anti-gay marriage bill.

Hopefully, the law won't get messed up. Because I remember when all those couples lined up in Cambridge to get married. It was incredible. All of Central Square was like a wedding party.
intlpopstar
May. 19th, 2006 05:37 pm (UTC)
Me too sis.
protoaxl
May. 19th, 2006 05:40 pm (UTC)
I feel like when people use one issue as an example build up their cause, they are trampling on the other issue a bit.

The basic principle is the same, but it doesn't mean people should just point at black people to make a point about persecution.

Civil rights issue, yes. One black persecution, no.
protoaxl
May. 19th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC)
One? What the hell is wrong with my typing today. Replace "one" with "like."

And there should be a "to" between example and build.
deedee_dancer
May. 19th, 2006 05:42 pm (UTC)
It's not a Civil Rights struggle. However, it is an Equal Rights struggle. Different origins, same endgame.
nicehotsoup
May. 19th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
biiiiiingo.

and when i can walk into the room and the first thing people no longer notice about me is that i'm black, then we can compare the two issues. until then, that's offensive as hell.
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 05:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - mizcrank - May. 19th, 2006 05:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 06:03 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - thewayoftheid - May. 19th, 2006 06:59 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
Word - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 07:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Word - nicehotsoup - May. 19th, 2006 07:39 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Word - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
Re: Word - mizcrank - May. 19th, 2006 07:45 pm (UTC) - Expand
Re: Word - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC) - Expand
(Deleted comment)
lol - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 08:07 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - sunshineyellow - May. 19th, 2006 08:00 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 08:14 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - darkrosetiger - May. 19th, 2006 08:32 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 08:54 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:55 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 20th, 2006 12:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - telesilla - May. 20th, 2006 05:57 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - keeni84 - May. 20th, 2006 05:58 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 20th, 2006 12:13 pm (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - sunshineyellow - May. 20th, 2006 03:57 am (UTC) - Expand
(no subject) - deedee_dancer - May. 20th, 2006 12:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
See? - recumbentgoat - May. 19th, 2006 08:29 pm (UTC) - Expand
Wooooo Hooooooooo - deedee_dancer - May. 19th, 2006 08:56 pm (UTC) - Expand
gal_montag
May. 19th, 2006 05:45 pm (UTC)
So, "Civil Rights Movement" should only refer to the black fight for civil rights?

They *are* comparable, but not the same. Like Oranges and Lemons.
deedee_dancer
May. 19th, 2006 05:55 pm (UTC)
The problem is when terms like "Civil Rights Movement" are used as a catch-all is when it becomes a problem.

(no subject) - gal_montag - May. 21st, 2006 03:29 am (UTC) - Expand
thebigbadbutch
May. 19th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
It only pisses me off because whenever I hear it it's some white liberal gay trying to lecture me on how they are oppressed. What most gay activists don't get is that the only reason the gay movement (i don't call it a civil rights movement) has gone so far so fast isn't because they have been able to quote martin luther king to support their cause (while further whitewashing his) they have made such progress because they are white. If the movement were headed by african-americans and mexicans gays would still be afraid to hold hands without down in the streets. In summary: Fuck White People
hisprophet
May. 19th, 2006 05:50 pm (UTC)
Yeah, basically.
Why is it always the white people who say that? The only ones who don't know.
Because... - i_dreamed_i_was - May. 19th, 2006 06:10 pm (UTC) - Expand
stagger_lee77
May. 19th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC)
huh?
wait... now... gay rights movement = civil rights movement?

i've really got to talk to my mailman and my ISP. i STILL haven't received my copy of the homosexual agenda. surely, the THA addresses this, right?

what thebigbadbutch said is true. if the major "leaders" of the gay rights movement were POCs, it would have been squashed on day one. i'm having a hard time as seeing the two as equal. i'm trying... but no one's told me to get to the back of the bus or drink out of a different water fountain because i'm a *gasp* lesbian. most people around here are too busy paying attention to my blackness to care about my sexuality.
ktempest
May. 19th, 2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
Technically, it is a movement concerning Civil Rights, so that terminology isn't wrong, but ti does annoy me when they try to act as if it's part of the Black Civil Rights movement of the past and present. It bothers me that LGBT activists cannot get it in their heads that all oppressions are not the same oppression, and that they can't just tack on their struggles with ours and make them equate. It isn't even about whose is worse than the other, it's about the fact that it's a separate issue. Treat it like one.
littledrummrboy
May. 19th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC)
I'll co-sign what alot of folks have said--I agree that it's a civil rights issue, but it's not the same as the Civil Rights Movement with which we are all familiar. And while I usually choose not to compare struggles, observation has shown that the "struggle" at hand is often otherwise-privileged white people pissed because they don't get this too.
thiscoinferno
May. 19th, 2006 10:11 pm (UTC)
*raises hand*
Not white, not privileged, but still pissed.

daveanthony
May. 19th, 2006 06:22 pm (UTC)
Gay marriage is definitely a civil rights issue, but I don't know that I'd call it a 'movement.' And to be clear, there is a difference between a civil rights movement and The Civil Rights Movement. There can be other movements that qualify as civil rights movements, but that does not make them the same as The Civil Rights Movement.

In any case, the two are definitely not the same and I get annoyed when people make that comparison, too.
royce_the_52
May. 19th, 2006 06:45 pm (UTC)
i wrote a paper on gay marriage. i said i was sick of middle class white folks comparing it to the civil rights movement. if i hadn't have come out in my paper, he might have given me an F
yes_justice
May. 19th, 2006 07:10 pm (UTC)
Re: huh?
Check into what Dr. Cornel West has to say about homophobia.

James Baldwin too.
yes_justice
May. 19th, 2006 07:33 pm (UTC)
Its beyond just marriage. Homophobia is rampant. People are blind to it.

I was in France when Mathew Shepard was brutally murdered by gay bashers.

My coworkers asked me why americans were so cruel? What could I say? Its our history. One long trail of twisted bodies as the strong crush the weak.

We must be crazy.
thiscoinferno
May. 19th, 2006 10:10 pm (UTC)
Who knew I was going to reply to muck being racked?
Civil rights= rights guaranteed to citizens under the constitution. The prisoners' rights movement is a civil rights movement. The gay rights movement is compared to The Civil Rights Movement because the fight against anti-misogyny laws and the fight against today's idiots are the same.

No, it's not the same as black persecution. However, I wouldn't want to hear the comparison done the other way. They're bad, for different reasons. One's no better, one's no worse. I think what a lot of black/gay people feel to realize is that there are humiliations you suffer when you're gay/black that the other side will never even get to experience.
thiscoinferno
May. 19th, 2006 10:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Who knew I was going to reply to muck being racked?
fail
bonbhan
May. 20th, 2006 02:31 am (UTC)
Marriage is a constitutionally protected civil right in this country. This was declared in the context of race.

Loving v. Virginia

Note: The anti-miscegenation laws were based on the Christian Bible as well.
papi
May. 20th, 2006 07:26 am (UTC)
I still don't know where Bazile got his argument from... his type and the Klan amuse me with their interpretations of the Bible.
(no subject) - hisprophet - May. 20th, 2006 03:34 pm (UTC) - Expand
3xsdope
May. 21st, 2006 11:56 pm (UTC)
I'll Make It Short
It's not the same at all. I get heated when it's compared too. Does anybody know of how many states and countries legalize gay marriage? And also are they just at it with the law or/and the church? Say that gay marriage becomes legal in all states and a precher/pastor ect. denies to marry the two they will be able to sue the church???
( 104 comments — Leave a comment )

Profile

bf
blackfolk
Blackfolk

Latest Month

April 2016
S M T W T F S
     12
3456789
10111213141516
17181920212223
24252627282930
Powered by LiveJournal.com
Designed by Tiffany Chow