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Dec. 9th, 2006

Wow. According to LJ the "N-word" does not qualify as hate speech:

"With regards to rx_suicide, please allow us to explain our policies concerning hate speech. “Hate speech” is defined as material which encourages violence against a particular ethnic, religious, or racial group. While using a racial epithet is indeed distasteful and offensive, the LiveJournal Abuse Team cannot consider rx_suicide's comment to be in violation of the LiveJournal Terms of Service (http://www.livejournal.com/legal/tos.bml) as it does not meet the above definition. I apologize for this."


Just wow.

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thebigbadbutch
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:22 am (UTC)
agreed
vivelanuit
Dec. 9th, 2006 05:55 am (UTC)
Why does their response not surprise me?
sprorion
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:14 am (UTC)
b/c we did this ourselves. What other ethnic group uses racial slurs against itself?
nicehotsoup
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:36 am (UTC)
every group of people uses slurs against themselves. my jewish friends make their "i got jewed" comments. my gay friends are foreeeeeeever calling themselves queer. my ex-boyfriend is german and he calls himself a kraut all the time.
sprorion
Dec. 9th, 2006 11:02 am (UTC)
Yeah but do they glorify it by using it umpteem times in a song? Thanks to rappers and other ignorant people, you have the Kramers and the Andy Dick's of the world spouting the word and thinking it's ok. You'll never see that happen to a Jew or homosexual.
nicehotsoup
Dec. 9th, 2006 02:43 pm (UTC)
this may or may not be correct (i don't listen to much music that glorifies anything and i don't watch a lot of television/movies), but i still don't understand what your ultimate point is? just because some people use the term doesn't mean that it is still socially acceptable to be used. when people display the fact that they're offended and uncomfortable, you've entered a different realm and you need to stop. lj is just like any other institution (and apparently you, as well) by trying to use that as a lame excuse. people have been offended and a stop should've been put to it.

using slurs for leisure is not a negro-exclusive activity.
karnythia
Dec. 9th, 2006 02:57 pm (UTC)
Here's a crazy concept. My 7 year old hears profanity all the time, he knows that he cannot use those words. Even if he really wants to say them to someone he has enough sense not to do it in front of me. Are you seriously saying that white people cannot be held to the same standard?
witchsistah
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:21 pm (UTC)
I Co-sign this
I'm sick of folk, Black and non-Black always trying to blame Black folks for the use of the word "nigger." Like someone said on LJ elsewhere, Blacks did not invent the word and we did not give it the hateful connotation it has today. If every Negro on earth stopped using that word tomorrow, White folk'd STILL be itching to spew that word forth from their lips.

I'm sick of this "blame the victim" mentality, this idea that if Black folks would just "act right" all anti-Black racism would be gone in an instant. Hell, most Blacks have been "acting right" since we were brought here. Hasn't seemed to make a jack bit of difference in the hatred spewed against us.
daveanthony
Dec. 9th, 2006 10:58 pm (UTC)
Re: I Co-sign this
co-to the sign.
daveanthony
Dec. 9th, 2006 11:03 pm (UTC)
No, you have the Kramers and Andy Dicks and other morons using it--knowing full well what they're doing--and then using the fact that black people say it as an excuse and scapegoat.

Black people shouldn't use it, I agree with you 100% there and have always said so. But white people have been calling black folks nigger long before hip hop was ever invented, and black people didn't start using it once rappers did. Hell, long before I heard "nigga" in a rap song I heard it at home. Should rappers/entertainers/whoever else stop using it? Yes. Is it their fault Michael Richards called some black men niggers? FUCK no.
witchsistah
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:09 am (UTC)
Fine, we'll just continue to "cracka-ass-cracka" in here.
cynicgal
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:21 am (UTC)
I believe the preferred term these days is 'Cracka McCrackason.'
witchsistah
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:34 am (UTC)
I thought that was "Whitey McCracka."
cynicgal
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:41 am (UTC)
I think that's the step-mother. But 'Jim Crow' is an alternate, affectionate term.
i_dreamed_i_was
Dec. 10th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
Please...
Call me by my given name, Becky Keebler.
yes_justice
Dec. 11th, 2006 06:39 pm (UTC)
I still prefer "sunshine corpse"
daveanthony
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:23 am (UTC)
This is bullshit. Call them on this.

Form their own TOS WHICH THEY PROVIDE A LINK TO:

Under Section XVI: Member Conduct:

You agree to NOT use the Service to:

1. Upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortious, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive to another's privacy (up to, but not excluding any address, email, phone number, or any other contact information without the written consent of the owner of such information), hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

NOWHERE in here is there ANYTHING that defines "raciall, ethnically or otherwise objectionable" as requiring a threat of violence.

Whoever sent this to you, you need to send this back to them.
daveanthony
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:26 am (UTC)
Oh. Not to mention that calling someone a 'n-----r' is, IMO, a harmful, abusive and even violent act, and CERTAINLY is "racially objectionable."
mizcrank
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:29 am (UTC)
you tell em, baybee!
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recumbentgoat
Dec. 9th, 2006 01:27 pm (UTC)
iawtc
And send this with it.
loomis_simmons
Dec. 9th, 2006 02:44 pm (UTC)
She also said that she hopes I get lynched. Which is soooo not a violent act.
kristiangrrl
Dec. 9th, 2006 07:09 am (UTC)
THE STUPID IS BURNING ME ALIVE.
Whoa whoa whoa.

Didn't the bitch say that someone deserved to be lynched?

ISN'T LYNCHING AN ENCOURAGEMENT OF VIOLENCE?

Michael Richards, get off the fucking LJ Abuse panel.
daveanthony
Dec. 9th, 2006 07:25 am (UTC)
Re: THE STUPID IS BURNING ME ALIVE.
well yeah but see....uh.... it said encourage violence against a racial group, see.. but she was just encouraging violence against one person. yeah...that's uh..that's it.
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acidcookiegirl
Dec. 9th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)
Re: THE STUPID IS BURNING ME ALIVE.
Damn, times like this alt + prt scr is your bestest friend evar.
thegirliscrazy
Dec. 11th, 2006 04:36 pm (UTC)
Re: THE STUPID IS BURNING ME ALIVE.
Did she reply to that specific person? And if so, does that person get lj notifications in her (it was a her, right?) e-mail? B/c if so, she still has evidence that it was said, even if the comment was deleted later. Hopefully the e-mail wasn't deleted, or is at least still sitting in the trash bin.
bana05
Dec. 9th, 2006 11:17 am (UTC)
They forgot to add, "only if against people who are NOT Negro".
yes_justice
Dec. 11th, 2006 06:44 pm (UTC)
That would account for it.
singsomelyrical
Dec. 9th, 2006 02:23 pm (UTC)
I got the same email.

:/
cindel
Dec. 9th, 2006 02:33 pm (UTC)
Bullshit!! Scroll down to member conduct on TOS and send that shit back!
brandipoo
Dec. 9th, 2006 03:03 pm (UTC)
I did. Lets see what happens. And I told them it was they way to guarentee i'll never be a paid member. Hit em where it hurts!! their pocketbooks!
snowflake_star
Dec. 9th, 2006 05:46 pm (UTC)
So just email member conduct about this? Because, I want someone to know that because of this, they can kiss my money for my paid account GOOD BYE!
witchsistah
Dec. 9th, 2006 06:22 pm (UTC)
Same here
I also have a paid account, won't have one anymore once it expires. Wouldn't want to insult LJ by giving them my nigger money.
littledrummrboy
Dec. 9th, 2006 04:52 pm (UTC)
they can kiss my ass with that shit.

I bet I could find some case law contrary to their claim, and while it would be in no way binding for an entity like LJ, sometimes Johnny USA knows what he's talking about more than these cats. Further, and more damning, however, is the fact that daveanthony pointed out that it's a violation of their OWN FUCKING TERMS OF SERVICE. Don't hand me that shit.
jette
Dec. 9th, 2006 07:30 pm (UTC)
Wait, didn't the comment in question also include a lynching reference? How is that not hate speech?

All I know is, I don't care about what TOS says, if anyone used that word in any of my comms, that's an auto-ban.

karnythia helps me moderate big_kids now, so if it happened in there they'd really hope I saw it before she, because I'd probably just ban and be done but there's no telling what she might do.
black_berry623
Dec. 9th, 2006 11:55 pm (UTC)
please update us with another post when you have something new
yogaclass4cats
Dec. 10th, 2006 12:15 am (UTC)
I wrote LJ Abuse a letter saying that, if this is how they interpret TOS, they won't be receiving anymore of my money when my paid account expires. Seriously, this is bull. I'm all for free speech, but how are you going to violate your own TOS, which clearly bans racially objectionable material?

Whatever, they have the right to be horrible about this, just like I have the right to never pay them another dime :)
likelesliecaron
Dec. 10th, 2006 01:10 am (UTC)
wow that's bullshit.
little_yew
Dec. 10th, 2006 04:17 am (UTC)
Fail. Fail, fail, fail.
littleeva
Dec. 10th, 2006 11:18 pm (UTC)
I think you should save this post. The next time someone insults you, calls you a n____, and you call them Cracka McCrackason, and they complain, you can send LJ this and tell them that to call someone a Cracka can't be "hate speech" if n____ is.

I think also we should all ask LJ what exactly is "hate speech." And then tell LJ it would be a shame if this site became like AOL where no one moderates any discussion.
mulder200
Dec. 11th, 2006 12:10 am (UTC)
NOw that's what I call a cop-out.
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