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panama777
Jan. 1st, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
hmmmm
Well, good for her for building this school in South Africa, but the reasoning? Inner city schools too much of a challenge? Of COURSE kids here in the States are rather materialistic. So you work towards getting them to value education and having a sense of esteem and self-sufficiency. I mean, I'm all for her going to Africa and looking to get it done there, but still. sheesh.
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checkmymelonie
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:09 am (UTC)
I think this article goes more into depth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16396343/site/newsweek/
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bellarisa
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
Hmmm...
I get why people are offended, but I can see what she's saying. And she gives a *lot* of money to education and scholarships and such in the U.S. already. I can't accuse her of taking the easy way out when she's building a school in another continent, overseeing it personally despite everything else she does, dealing with all the bullshit that comes with wanting to do anything for girls in a country that values them even less than brown girls are valued in America...this has taken years to achieve; I believe she's had to jump through plenty of hoops to give these beautiful little girls this kind of chance. Yes, they need it here too, but again I see what she's saying.
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littleeva
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
When I read the article, I could see Oprah's point. BUT

One of the reasons I feel children in the inner city, in fact many children in America don't care about education is because no one really cares about them. My mom grew up during the depression, legal segregation, Jim Crow laws, you name it; yet most everyone in her high school class did well for themselves. The reason IMO is that despite everything, there was a lot of love in those communities. The teachers cared about the children, there were extended families, my mom herself was raised for a time by aunts and grandparents.

Today children are raised with little or no love, drugs have consumed many parents, many children grow up in the System; too many teachers don't care, everybody tells these children they will end up in jail or dead, so they stop, they stop caring about themselves or anything.

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cumaeansibyl
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:16 am (UTC)
The cultural problems facing US inner-city kids are different than those facing South African kids, but that doesn't mean either group is more or less deserving of an education. Hey Oprah, you know why US kids don't want uniforms to go to school? Because THEY'RE ALREADY IN SCHOOL, YOU DUMB BITCH. They just need someone to tell them WHY they're in school when there's obviously no money for equipment or books or teachers or anything that looks like anybody gives a fuck about them graduating.

American kids pick up the idea that education is useless because we tell them it's useless. Every time we vote against a school millage and then go spend money on sneakers and iPods, we're showing them where our priorities really lie.
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panama777
Jan. 2nd, 2007 01:12 am (UTC)
yup
nicehotsoup
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
I hate this heffa
If I didn't think she was a stuck up bitch before, I definitely would now. I went to inner city schools, private schools, and a hassadiddy public school in my years of education, being that they're KIDS, they all wanted something. All kids want an iPod because it's the it-item right now. It's to be expected. No kid wants to go to school. Hell, I'm paying out of pocket for school, I'm 22, and I still have to force myself into going and paying attention, and I want to be an educator.

I think she's taking the easy way out just like all the white folks going to Africa and doing what they could be doing in America. We have created this materialistic monster and we're just going to carry it over there, too.
kimbari
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
I had a knee-jerk "that's not fair!" reaction initially, but when I really thought about it... yeah, Oprah's right. I'm pretty sure you'd get the same response from white kids (wanting things over education) but we're not *concerned* about white kids, who have privilege even if they're dumb as a bag of hammers.

It's O's money, she can do what she wants with it. And she don't need me (or anybody) to tell her that.
teachpiece
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)
Sofia, no!
Okay, I can handle "Dr." Bill Cosby ranting and raving about the lack of value for education in the "inner-city", but not Oprah, Sofia, y'all, Sofia. Damn, damn, damn! Granted, she's "Oprah" and she can do what she wants with her money, but to lambaste the "inner-city" as not wanting more, uses the same fallacious logic of Cosby. There are no black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, cut and dry questions and solutions in education, especially not "Urban" education.

As Chairman Omali Yeshitela said on Dead Prez's "Let's Get Free" cd, track 1:
(paraphrase)"Native Eskimos melt down ice, put a sharp spear in it and put blood on the tip. The wolf will smell the blood and come and lick the spear thinking that he's eating another animal, not realizing that he's drinking his own blood, and killing himself, and then you blame the wolf for simply trying to eat. You don't blame the victim, you blame the damn hunter. Capitalism did that to the Black community and you want to blame the victim."

So, the next time an inner-city kid says they want an iPod and someone gives them a funny look and says that's not what they should desire, how about you go and tell that to the little surburban kid who wants the same thing.
thewayoftheid
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:23 am (UTC)
Re: Sofia, no!
Capitalism did that to the Black community and you want to blame the victim."

So, the next time an inner-city kid says they want an iPod and someone gives them a funny look and says that's not what they should desire, how about you go and tell that to the little surburban kid who wants the same thing.


Thank you.

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recumbentgoat
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
ha---her words and actions already being used to underscore how ungrateful poor black American kids are....

Help!! Someone calle Hilary Swank/Michelle Pfeiffer/Antonio Banderas!!!!11 They will save the poor black children!!!

It's great Oprah can feel good about getting her 'money's worth' (and get the recognition for giving it like she feels she should).

But the idea of ungrateful black American children isn't new. The first school--(Boston in the 1820s?)---was under staffed and under funded. Not exactly gearing children for success now is it?

How the fuck is this still happening? And yet....it still is. Especially with No Child Left Behind? Especially with the attack on affirmative action?

Oprah isn't going to be around when black children are put on basic or remedial learning tracks in elementary and high school. And honestly, I hate how the media uses this divide and conquer shit.
naive_tree
Jan. 2nd, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
I like Oprah.

I think sometimes to much pressure (in expectations) is put on her from everything.
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bpthought
Jan. 2nd, 2007 02:13 am (UTC)
Well, everyone I know KNOWS I have a longstanding love-hate relationship with Miss O ...

**Miss O don't seem to care...**

but this time the wheel has GOT to fall on "love."

I have to give that woman her credit; at least she's doing SOMEthing. I aint built no schools lately.

<--LOOKING AROUND FOR SCHOOL IN SOUTH AFRICA, WEST PHILLY OR LITHUANIA THAT I BUILT LAST YEAR



Church member to Pastor: Pastor we'd like to speak to you. We don't like the way you teach our children. We don't like your stories, your tone, your inflection or your gists.
Pastor: Oh ok, then. Well, how do you teach your children?
Member: We don't.
Pastor: Then how bout I stick to my way.

skywardprodigal
Jan. 2nd, 2007 02:30 am (UTC)
I see her point. A lot of kids don't see a point to school.

And really, I think it's amazing, great even, that she put her money in a school.
skywardprodigal
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:01 pm (UTC)
I still wonder about the fit she threw about being kept out of a Hermes store though. It's her money -- after taxes anyway.
papi
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:02 am (UTC)
Much as I don't care about Oprah, I applaud what she's done. Even the crappiest inner-city school is worlds better than what most students experience in the Motherland.

Why didn't she build such a nice school in a place like here (Baltimore), NYC, LA, Chicago, DC? Probably because she realizes that even her billions can't work such a miracle that the parents and school systems actually begin to work together in educating our youth, which is where the problem begins and ends.
bellarisa
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:22 am (UTC)
I already said this, BUT:
Somebody has GOT to tell me how spending several years and umpteen dollars to build a much needed school for underpriviledged girls ANYWHERE is taking the easy way out. The easy way out would be to tell everyone to go to hell and spend all of your money on yourself. So what if she didn't build a school here? I don't know how many college educations and other gifts I've seen her give away on her show. She does plenty here, and now she's doing plenty elsewhere. Good for her.
toodani
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:04 am (UTC)
Re: I already said this, BUT:
I've said she took the easy way out. But i'm referring to when there's two choices; Build school A or school B. Yes, in general the easy way out is to do nothing at all. So i'm going to continue my Oprah love even though her show is losing my interest. Carry on :)
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sunshineyellow
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:59 am (UTC)
I completely agree with Oprah. Her building a nice school there will help the South African kids a lot more than kids here. Because the kids there already have the desire to learn, they just need the money and the facilites. But if she builds a nice school and throws money at the kids here, it is unappreciated. All she has is money and a big heart. Nothing Oprah does is going to change the way the kids are. She talks about educating kids on her show, gives away scholarships and already gives tons of money to U.S. schools. Other than that, what can Oprah do? She's not their mom. She's not the secretary of education. This was a 'where can I get the most bang for my buck?' decision and I think she made the right one.

I think we should be talking about what EVERYONE can do to solve the problem of our kids being materialistic and not appreciating their education rather than rag on Oprah for opening a $40 million girls school in South Africa.
karnythia
Jan. 2nd, 2007 06:46 am (UTC)
This comment is so misguided as to actually be painful. Nice schools are being built here in the inner city. and guess what? They are appreciated. And most bang for the buck would have meant letting in more girls instead of spending the funds on a yoga studio. Because eventually these kids have to leave the boarding school and go home.
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delectatio
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:23 am (UTC)
I 100% back Oprah.
kittylarock
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:24 am (UTC)
Hmmm...will somebody please introduce me to all these scores of ungrateful, materialistic inner-city who don't care about learning at all? I run an afterschool program at different schools here in DC and we have to turn away girls there's so much interest from kids who *gasp* want to be involved in something positive, want to make a change in their lives and communities, and have something to keep them busy and out of the street.

The girls I work with have also launched tons of youth organizing campaigns to fix their schools. They don't just want ipods or laptops - they want bathrooms fixed, buildings renovated, HIV testing in school, better sex ed classes, they even created the city's sexual harassment policy. I just had 3 girls from my organization win Posse foundation scholarships which will pay full tuition at top-ranked colleges. There are TONS of our kids who want to learn. But WE keep failing them. Oprah really needs to come back to earth.
papi
Jan. 2nd, 2007 05:06 am (UTC)
That's all well and good with your girls and all; I applaud them. But what do afterschool programs have to do with the general education that goes on from 8 to 3?
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deedee_dancer
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:25 am (UTC)
You know wha?
Fuck ya'll.


...And that's comin from someone who is about as far from bein an Oprah Stan as possible.
daveanthony
Jan. 2nd, 2007 08:00 am (UTC)
I have no problem with Oprah building this school in South Africa. I think it's great and I hope she does more in other countries as well, including here. I do take issue with her comments, though, as others do, for a couple of reasons.

"If you ask the kids what they want or need, they will say an iPod or some sneakers."

Call me crazy, but maybe you shouldn't complain about American kids--inner city or otherwise--being mini-materialistic monsters when you yourself feed right into the grown folk materialistic monsters. Meaning, why be surprised when kids ask you for iPods or sneakers when they see you buying your audience (you can read that part both ways..) all kinds of expensive doodads on your "favorite things" episodes and dozens of other times throughout the year? Oprah to audience: "Here! Have this newest latest trendiest gadget! YAY!!!!" Oprah to audience's kids: "Why would you ask me for these trendy doodads and gadgets? Priorities, people!" Um. Ok. They see you hand out trinkets and you take issue with them asking you for trinkets? Why do people like to try to hold children to a higher standard than they do the adults who (are supposed to) raise them? If a child's community doesn't put enough focus on education, why take him/her to task for not doing so either?

"I became so frustrated with visiting inner-city schools that I just stopped going. The sense that you need to learn just isn't there,"

The sense that you need to learn isn't there from the schools themselves and America as a whole, not just the students. How do you expect the students to have that sense when the very schools they attend don't? That's part of the problem. Schools are now basically saying, "Just pass these tests so we can still get our gov'ment check" and there's little focus left on whether or not kids actually learn anything. Maybe instead of no longer going--which seems rather symbolic of America's abandoning of public schools in general--a change in approach is needed. We difinitely won't get anywhere if we just say "they don't want to learn anyway, so, chalk 'em up."
i_dreamed_i_was
Jan. 2nd, 2007 08:08 am (UTC)
Amen.
Really.
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thefloodlands
Jan. 2nd, 2007 10:22 am (UTC)
I have nothing to say except
.................


FUCK ALL YOU OVER-PRIVILEGED NEGROES


I'd expect some of these dismissive comments from white folks who only had their inner-city education from their 3rd at-home screening of Dangerous Minds---but to see such a ridiculous lack of empathy (and critical thinking) in 75% of the comments regarding this post...

SO TRIFE.
dyvinesweetness
Jan. 3rd, 2007 02:25 am (UTC)
Re: I have nothing to say except
Now that I've read most of these comments...

WORD.
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gal_montag
Jan. 2nd, 2007 02:31 pm (UTC)
I think it's good, but I also think it's a little misdirected. I mean, besides there being parts of Africa that could use such a school way more than South Africa, there's schools here that would benifit from Oprah pouring her money into them. And her comparison, school uniforms vs. sneakers, is a faulty one since most children in the US do not wear school uniforms.
shaniquafromh
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:56 pm (UTC)
msn entertainment also has an article about it
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=246472>1=7703
cjs1981
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:14 pm (UTC)
Y'all keep listening to Oprah if you want. Ain't a soul on this Earth disputing the fact it's her bread. She could buy Loch Ness and look for Nessie her damn self, but that's her money. That's not the issue. The issue is how dare people like Oprah Winfrey, Bill Cosby, and WardstrongShawnElder be disconnected from the black community, then bring their snooty asses back to tell US what's wrong with US? Where were you crossover niggas when shit got thick? Entertaining whitefolks. Puh-lease.
ritahritahritah
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:37 pm (UTC)
Good to see everyone else is doing so much for innercity schools that they feel the need to tell O to change her opinion.
swear to God..
cjs1981
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC)
we're not billionaires, nor are we branding inner-city children as kids who don't want to learn.
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