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When someone brings up anecdotal evidence stating that they or their white friend got passed over for a job or promotion because the company HAD to have a Black person (or better, a Black woman) in the position because of Affirmative Action, wouldn't it be appropriate to call them on it? Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but a person's employment application and information is confidential, correct? Thus, the ONLY way that said white person would know that they got "passed over" by a less qualified minority would be if they either broke into HR or someone in HR divulged confidential information. Both of these things are illegal.

The other alternative to such a statement is that the person presenting such anecdotal evidence is an honest person and hasn't received confidential information. This is the much sadder version, because this means that such a person assumes that all Blacks and women are automatically less qualified than himself, and that the only way that we can get jobs or into schools is via a handout.

Any thoughts? Experiences with this? I've got a few, but I'll tell those later.


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Jun. 1st, 2006 06:09 pm (UTC)
Most people I have hard are the latter, and they don't realize it.
Few have been the former, and those persons were in such a high position, they would have known such.
Jun. 1st, 2006 06:14 pm (UTC)
I've heard it from people who are trying to show me why AA should be abolished. First, that's not how AA is supposed to work, it is illegal to put a person who is unqualified into a position just because they're a person of color, however they also need to know that unqualified =/= less qualified. If they know of things like this happening, they should be going to the Department of Labor and not bitching about it on the internets since that's the only way to get it changed. (Which might get them busted in a big way since yeah, they're not supposed to know any of that information unless they're HR and if they *are* HR they probably shouldn't be spouting off about it that way)

I tend to think that most people who say things like this are full of shit who rely on the untruths about AA to feel better when being privileged just isn't enough to cut it for them. Since I'm willing to bet that most of the time people who bitch about losing their spot to a "less qualified Minority" actually lost it to a more qualified white person.
Jun. 1st, 2006 06:17 pm (UTC)
or a more qualified minority.
Jun. 1st, 2006 09:38 pm (UTC)
AA =/= Alcoholics Anonymous?...
Jun. 2nd, 2006 01:13 am (UTC)
AA = Affirmative Action.
Jun. 2nd, 2006 02:46 am (UTC)
Heh heh...thanks, I figured it out.

My brain wasn't working on all cylinders at the time...
Jun. 1st, 2006 06:20 pm (UTC)
such a person assumes that all Blacks and women are automatically less qualified than himself, and that the only way that we can get jobs or into schools is via a handout.

Actually, that seems to be the assumption that most people who are against affirmative action make. The idea behind it being that all white people are automatically superior even though they won't say it that way.
Jun. 1st, 2006 07:41 pm (UTC)
Jun. 1st, 2006 09:39 pm (UTC)
Jun. 2nd, 2006 07:50 am (UTC)
I totally agree with this comment.
Jun. 1st, 2006 10:17 pm (UTC)
Jun. 1st, 2006 06:25 pm (UTC)
A) No private company is legally bound to have black people or any minority. In fact, quotas are pretty much illegal. Discriminatory hiring practices are illegal, not legitimates ones whereby minorities aren't hired. That being said, there are often unspoken quotas for PR reasons
B) Confidentiality is again, a private issue. HR policy usually keeps these things private, but more for their own internal controls/benefit. If the HR person is yapping about people's business to other employees, it's up to the company to police her actions.
C) Your alternative is something I've (and I'll guess many of us here) have been dealing with our entire lives. Not very hard to fathom at all.
Jun. 1st, 2006 06:46 pm (UTC)
Let me add that Affirmative Action only means that they have to CONSIDER everyone, not keep a quota together.

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Jun. 1st, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
I've called bullshit on people several times.

Saying that someone "took" another person's spot because they were a minorty creates the illusion that said minority was unqualified (because the only reason why they one-upped the white person was because of race).

It kills me when I have to check my friends who jump on the anti-AA bandwagon, because, according to that principle, I got into college because of AA and a deserving white person got pushed to the side.

It's almost as bad as the "AA is bad because white people will look down on minority people for getting AA" argument.
Jun. 1st, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
That last one bothers me because it sort of implies that white people don't have the strength to be able to make moral decisions for themselves. Like they somehow are unable to understand the concept of oppression or the concept of justice and can only react like spoiled kids
Jun. 1st, 2006 09:47 pm (UTC)
In my experience (as a minority), a Black person getting picked for a job over a white person...Never Happens!

In fact, I have seen more white people get promoted over a more experienced Black person due to the "Family Values" un-written rule...where Jim is Lisa's cousin and Lisa talks to Sarah who is also a cousin of Lisa's and is also manager of the department that Jim wants to work in. The last company I worked at I knew of at least 10 family members of the same family line working in the varying sections of IT (My department) alone...
Jun. 1st, 2006 10:36 pm (UTC)
I hear this all the time about college admisions. Some folks I knew in high school tried to pull it. Some white kid didn't get in, some black kid did. They all assumed the black kid got an AA handout. So I asked them, do you know what his GPA is? Nope. Do you know his SAT score? Nope. Did you read his letters of rec? Nope. Well then why the fuck do you assume he got a hand out and didn't just outperform you friend's sorry ass? These are the same folks who didn't believe me when I told them my SAT score until I threatened to bring the damn score sheet to school and show it to everybody.
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