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panama777
Jan. 1st, 2007 11:58 pm (UTC)
hmmmm
Well, good for her for building this school in South Africa, but the reasoning? Inner city schools too much of a challenge? Of COURSE kids here in the States are rather materialistic. So you work towards getting them to value education and having a sense of esteem and self-sufficiency. I mean, I'm all for her going to Africa and looking to get it done there, but still. sheesh.
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checkmymelonie
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:09 am (UTC)
I think this article goes more into depth.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16396343/site/newsweek/
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bellarisa
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
Hmmm...
I get why people are offended, but I can see what she's saying. And she gives a *lot* of money to education and scholarships and such in the U.S. already. I can't accuse her of taking the easy way out when she's building a school in another continent, overseeing it personally despite everything else she does, dealing with all the bullshit that comes with wanting to do anything for girls in a country that values them even less than brown girls are valued in America...this has taken years to achieve; I believe she's had to jump through plenty of hoops to give these beautiful little girls this kind of chance. Yes, they need it here too, but again I see what she's saying.
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littleeva
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:15 am (UTC)
When I read the article, I could see Oprah's point. BUT

One of the reasons I feel children in the inner city, in fact many children in America don't care about education is because no one really cares about them. My mom grew up during the depression, legal segregation, Jim Crow laws, you name it; yet most everyone in her high school class did well for themselves. The reason IMO is that despite everything, there was a lot of love in those communities. The teachers cared about the children, there were extended families, my mom herself was raised for a time by aunts and grandparents.

Today children are raised with little or no love, drugs have consumed many parents, many children grow up in the System; too many teachers don't care, everybody tells these children they will end up in jail or dead, so they stop, they stop caring about themselves or anything.

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cumaeansibyl
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:16 am (UTC)
The cultural problems facing US inner-city kids are different than those facing South African kids, but that doesn't mean either group is more or less deserving of an education. Hey Oprah, you know why US kids don't want uniforms to go to school? Because THEY'RE ALREADY IN SCHOOL, YOU DUMB BITCH. They just need someone to tell them WHY they're in school when there's obviously no money for equipment or books or teachers or anything that looks like anybody gives a fuck about them graduating.

American kids pick up the idea that education is useless because we tell them it's useless. Every time we vote against a school millage and then go spend money on sneakers and iPods, we're showing them where our priorities really lie.
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panama777
Jan. 2nd, 2007 01:12 am (UTC)
yup
nicehotsoup
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:26 am (UTC)
I hate this heffa
If I didn't think she was a stuck up bitch before, I definitely would now. I went to inner city schools, private schools, and a hassadiddy public school in my years of education, being that they're KIDS, they all wanted something. All kids want an iPod because it's the it-item right now. It's to be expected. No kid wants to go to school. Hell, I'm paying out of pocket for school, I'm 22, and I still have to force myself into going and paying attention, and I want to be an educator.

I think she's taking the easy way out just like all the white folks going to Africa and doing what they could be doing in America. We have created this materialistic monster and we're just going to carry it over there, too.
kimbari
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:29 am (UTC)
I had a knee-jerk "that's not fair!" reaction initially, but when I really thought about it... yeah, Oprah's right. I'm pretty sure you'd get the same response from white kids (wanting things over education) but we're not *concerned* about white kids, who have privilege even if they're dumb as a bag of hammers.

It's O's money, she can do what she wants with it. And she don't need me (or anybody) to tell her that.
teachpiece
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)
Sofia, no!
Okay, I can handle "Dr." Bill Cosby ranting and raving about the lack of value for education in the "inner-city", but not Oprah, Sofia, y'all, Sofia. Damn, damn, damn! Granted, she's "Oprah" and she can do what she wants with her money, but to lambaste the "inner-city" as not wanting more, uses the same fallacious logic of Cosby. There are no black or white, right or wrong, good or bad, cut and dry questions and solutions in education, especially not "Urban" education.

As Chairman Omali Yeshitela said on Dead Prez's "Let's Get Free" cd, track 1:
(paraphrase)"Native Eskimos melt down ice, put a sharp spear in it and put blood on the tip. The wolf will smell the blood and come and lick the spear thinking that he's eating another animal, not realizing that he's drinking his own blood, and killing himself, and then you blame the wolf for simply trying to eat. You don't blame the victim, you blame the damn hunter. Capitalism did that to the Black community and you want to blame the victim."

So, the next time an inner-city kid says they want an iPod and someone gives them a funny look and says that's not what they should desire, how about you go and tell that to the little surburban kid who wants the same thing.
thewayoftheid
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:23 am (UTC)
Re: Sofia, no!
Capitalism did that to the Black community and you want to blame the victim."

So, the next time an inner-city kid says they want an iPod and someone gives them a funny look and says that's not what they should desire, how about you go and tell that to the little surburban kid who wants the same thing.


Thank you.

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recumbentgoat
Jan. 2nd, 2007 12:52 am (UTC)
ha---her words and actions already being used to underscore how ungrateful poor black American kids are....

Help!! Someone calle Hilary Swank/Michelle Pfeiffer/Antonio Banderas!!!!11 They will save the poor black children!!!

It's great Oprah can feel good about getting her 'money's worth' (and get the recognition for giving it like she feels she should).

But the idea of ungrateful black American children isn't new. The first school--(Boston in the 1820s?)---was under staffed and under funded. Not exactly gearing children for success now is it?

How the fuck is this still happening? And yet....it still is. Especially with No Child Left Behind? Especially with the attack on affirmative action?

Oprah isn't going to be around when black children are put on basic or remedial learning tracks in elementary and high school. And honestly, I hate how the media uses this divide and conquer shit.
naive_tree
Jan. 2nd, 2007 01:07 am (UTC)
I like Oprah.

I think sometimes to much pressure (in expectations) is put on her from everything.
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bpthought
Jan. 2nd, 2007 02:13 am (UTC)
Well, everyone I know KNOWS I have a longstanding love-hate relationship with Miss O ...

**Miss O don't seem to care...**

but this time the wheel has GOT to fall on "love."

I have to give that woman her credit; at least she's doing SOMEthing. I aint built no schools lately.

<--LOOKING AROUND FOR SCHOOL IN SOUTH AFRICA, WEST PHILLY OR LITHUANIA THAT I BUILT LAST YEAR



Church member to Pastor: Pastor we'd like to speak to you. We don't like the way you teach our children. We don't like your stories, your tone, your inflection or your gists.
Pastor: Oh ok, then. Well, how do you teach your children?
Member: We don't.
Pastor: Then how bout I stick to my way.

skywardprodigal
Jan. 2nd, 2007 02:30 am (UTC)
I see her point. A lot of kids don't see a point to school.

And really, I think it's amazing, great even, that she put her money in a school.
skywardprodigal
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:01 pm (UTC)
I still wonder about the fit she threw about being kept out of a Hermes store though. It's her money -- after taxes anyway.
papi
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:02 am (UTC)
Much as I don't care about Oprah, I applaud what she's done. Even the crappiest inner-city school is worlds better than what most students experience in the Motherland.

Why didn't she build such a nice school in a place like here (Baltimore), NYC, LA, Chicago, DC? Probably because she realizes that even her billions can't work such a miracle that the parents and school systems actually begin to work together in educating our youth, which is where the problem begins and ends.
bellarisa
Jan. 2nd, 2007 03:22 am (UTC)
I already said this, BUT:
Somebody has GOT to tell me how spending several years and umpteen dollars to build a much needed school for underpriviledged girls ANYWHERE is taking the easy way out. The easy way out would be to tell everyone to go to hell and spend all of your money on yourself. So what if she didn't build a school here? I don't know how many college educations and other gifts I've seen her give away on her show. She does plenty here, and now she's doing plenty elsewhere. Good for her.
toodani
Jan. 2nd, 2007 04:04 am (UTC)
Re: I already said this, BUT:
I've said she took the easy way out. But i'm referring to when there's two choices; Build school A or school B. Yes, in general the easy way out is to do nothing at all. So i'm going to continue my Oprah love even though her show is losing my interest. Carry on :)
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